How do you deal with a High School Teacher that won't work with a parent?
By juls2me2
@juls2me2 (2150)
United States
December 6, 2006 2:55am CST
My son is failing his English class. I've asked the teacher to help me set him up with tutoring, asked to have access to daily/weekly homework that is due, and have also asked to be called or emailed the day a behavior problem or concern comes up. I've offered suggestions on how to handle situations that are basically immature boy stuff that doesn't need a drastic referral. She agreed to work with me on it all. To only find out my son has received 3 referrals for stupid things, which now causes an automatic fail.... What do you do?
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@juls2me2 (2150)
• United States
6 Dec 06
I realize my student isn't doing his work, he's still an immature boy. The teachers yell about Parents not getting involved to help them. Well, here I am trying to get her to help me get the homework and find him tutoring. What is so difficult about that? Where are the good ole' teachers that actually cared about a student succeeding AND helped Parents that tried to help too. Instead now the teachers just look for any old excuse to create ridiculous referrals just to get a kid out of their class?
@juls2me2 (2150)
• United States
6 Dec 06
I'm really thinking about your comment. How can you put responsibility on a student that isn't responsible yet? I've let him be responsible and he's failing. There has to be a point to help him at least get organized and help him understand the procedures that are expected. Without cooperation from the teacher...as far as homework assignments, things that are expected, how can a parent even try from their end to help their child become responsible?
@TDonald (1421)
• United States
6 Dec 06
If a chid doesn't know ANYTHING about responsibility then I would lay that at the feet of the parents.
You have to quit expecting an underpaid, overworked, government employee to do your job for you. School districts and teachers are subject to legal action every time they discipline an ir-responsible student.
Teachers are threatened, physically and verbally abused everyday by ir-responsible students and parents.
@sherinek (3320)
• United States
6 Dec 06
I will never make her angry because it will lead to future problems. What I would do is, I will send him for a good class without consulting her. In my country, anyway, we send our children for private classes. There are parents who send their children for all the subjects which is not required and hectic for the child. Dont you'll have teachers who give private lessons? Other thing you could do is, sit with him and evaluate his lessons on a daily basis. Then you can help him as and when required. How old is he by the way?
@juls2me2 (2150)
• United States
6 Dec 06
You have a point about making a teacher angry. The teachers today feel and act like they are God. They just look for excuses to give referrals to get rid of kids that aren't the robot joe-shmoo student out of their class, instead of actually teaching them. What happened to good ole' teachers that motivated students, made learning fun. Why are Teachers allowed to not cooperate with Parents that are trying to help their child succeed? Don't get me wrong...not every teacher is horrible. There are many teachers that are truly gifted teachers and they should be mentoring today's teachers.
As far as tutoring, I can't afford paying someone and am not sure how to find one that would help my son. There is no way I can check if he's doing the right homework unless I attend the school myself. I can't get the info from the teachers by email or web... in a prompt manner.
@juls2me2 (2150)
• United States
9 Dec 06
You must have been homeschooled yourself, your response is just so enlightening and a great plan to better the situation.....you actually sound like a typical teacher that is only there for a paycheck and not to actually BE a Teacher. You're telling me to teach my own child, sounds good, but the reality is he has to go to school, the school is responsible to Teach my son and discipline appropriately..not idiotically or unfairly, the teacher's are responsible to work with the Parents when a child isn't able to find his way in their class. He's doing well in the other classes that he had difficulty in... once the Teachers worked with Me (the Parent) to help keep on top of my child from home too. Get over yourself and be real. Teacher's need to quit if they don't truly desire to TEACH and Care about even the struggling students too.
@IshidaMitsunari (1026)
• China
7 Dec 06
If you think the teachers aren't doing a good job then do the job yourself and quit complaining about it. There are good teachers and there are teachers who care, but frankly when a High school student can get his act together his is making the whole class suffer. At that point a referral is warranted as he is affecting the learning environment. You say your child is fine at home? You have such a huge problem with public educators? Then teach the child yourself or put him in a private school. Complaining doesn't help, only action does.
@juls2me2 (2150)
• United States
14 Dec 06
I have to agree partially with you, because my son is ultimately the main cause of his failing. The parent notification procedures are in place at the school, but the Teacher chose not to abide by them in this instance and ultimately it falls into the Vice Principals hands for not notifying me of the referrals as they took place. Its clear where the ball dropped, but what disturbs me the most is we had 7-weeks in the quarter to work as a team to try and pull my son out of the downward spiral he was going. It was actually possible if a plan was followed. Since there is no accountability and the school VP chose not to make a plan for my son....he's just tossed off ....gonna have to try harder next time. I really feel that the Teacher should have been Required to face the piper and provide my son the 7-weeks of assignments as if beginning again. He could've worked with me during winter break to catch up and continued with classwork for the last 2 weeks when returning from break. Unfortunately, in that setting my son would have still failed her class because she was then forced to do something. It's a no win situation. I feel the School Board needs to make new policy with a harsh reprimand to teachers and VP for not informing parents.
@juls2me2 (2150)
• United States
20 Dec 06
Some teachers don't think they need to be accountable for not informing a parent of anything happening in their classroom that could lead to a student being dropped. Those teachers don't care about the students success at all. I do feel she should have been made to give my son the previous homework that was already given, from the point she gave the 1st referral and didn't inform me. It would be as if we were starting over with Me being informed. Since there was a 2-week break it would've been a perfect time for me as a Parent to make my son complete his assignments...to make up for his side of the problem in the 1st place, yet still holding the teacher accountable for not notifying the Parent. Why do you think teachers don't notify the parents....to get the kid out of there class! By getting a Failing student out of her class without involving the parents, how is the student learning anything other than..... he's a failure.....ooooh well. He's not a failure, he apparently needs extra guidance and hey that's why I want to be informed, if it doesn't help after that, then we need to find a way that will work.
@mkirby624 (1598)
• United States
19 Dec 06
I don't think the teacher needs to give him the 7 weeks of the assignments. You should have told your son, AT HOME, that he has to step up and do his work. You cannot blame a teacher for a student who doesn't do his work. Especially in high school
@lissaj (532)
• United States
7 Dec 06
I read a few of the responses to your post, and find that I am appalled at some of them. Why does everyone always want to lay the blame on the parent? Teachers are perfect? Yes, underpaid, overworked, but they chose this job, they need to do it. I am a teacher and also a parent myself, and I understand the frustrations. A parent doesn't know what goes on in the classroom unless there is good communication with the teachers. That is what conferences are for. At the first sign of problems with the students, a conference should always be scheduled to discuss the problem and how to deal with it before it goes further. My son had problems with his english teacher and not turning in assignments. This teacher, and I hate to talk bad about a teacher, but she never once contacted me. I asked for a conference, she popped in on my meeting with his homeroom teacher and said basically he could do the work, he just chose not to. He eventually was switched to another teacher and ended up passing. I would definatly go talk to the principal if your sons teacher will not cooperate with you. Sounds like you have tried on your end. It's not all your responsibility, the teachers have a responsibility also.
@mkirby624 (1598)
• United States
19 Dec 06
I understand what you are saying; I am a teacher as well. But, I honestly feel that there comes a point in a child's life when they have to take responsibility for their assignments and their behavior in class. I saw up there she said that the teacher did not keep her website updated, which is wrong on her part, definitely. I update my website every weekend with the next week's activities and assignments due. We have had MANY MANY parents in for conferences just in the past couple of months, but, what I have found is that the parents we bring in to speak about their child's behavior and grades talk big and say they are going to get on this and that...take control at home..not going to put up with that nonsense, etc etc. I just wish people would realize how frustrating it is when, as a teacher, you take all of the appropriate steps to changing a student's behavior and problems in class, yet nothing is ever done at home to change the problem discussed at the conference. At that point, referrals are needed. If a student just flat out refuses to do their work in class, you can only try to motivate for so long before those students are just a behavior problem that has to be dealt with in a different manner.
@juls2me2 (2150)
• United States
6 Dec 06
My child is fine with me at home, before and after school. What happens in the classroom is the teacher's responsibility to handle appropriately and to INFORM me the Parent of any problems....BEFORE grades come out. I've been watching my son completing homework and turning it in, to find out he still has missing assignments. How the heck am I supposed to know what the assignments are?
@TrinityRose (462)
• United States
7 Dec 06
What gives you the right to judge this woman? SHE IS TRYING TO ASK FOR WAYS TO HELP HER SON! If she didn't care or didn't pay attention to her son would she be trying to help him? Your remarks were uncalled for and rude!
@mkirby624 (1598)
• United States
19 Dec 06
After reading a few pages of responses from others and seeing your replies, I have gotten more information on what is actually happening at this school. From your original post, it seemed as though you were wanting your son's teacher to spoon feed him, and you, the assignments so he would be sure to get everything done.
I saw that the teacher doesn't update her website, which I don't agree with. That is the reason for having a website, so the parents have easy access to what is going on. Also, so teachers don't HAVE to email allll the parents who want to know what's happening in class. It can get really overwhelming.. I have 30 students in my class, 5 classes a day, and by the end of the day, I am WORN OUT. Teaching IS really hard, and I apologize for all teachers, including myself, who sometimes reach the end of their fuse with students who do the same things over and over after being told not to.
I'm sorry you are having these problems with your son's teacher, and I do hope they get resolved. I want to apologize for some of the heated comments I made, as I was quickly upset because I felt like all teachers were being chastized for not putting up with kids who won't take responsibility for themselves. I truly hope this isn't the case with your son, and I hope you find someone who will support you in your endeavor to help your son.
@juls2me2 (2150)
• United States
20 Dec 06
I appreciate your feedback greatly, especially being a teacher. This situation has nothing to do with being spoon fed. The total argument is basically being given the opportunity for some kind of intervention for a failling student...be it failing from behavioral problems or scholastic problems. As far as I knew up to the 1st grading cycle my son was writing all his assignments down and completing them, before he got other priveleges at home and school sports. To realize at the halfway point, he wrote down half the assignments and found a system that I couldn't verify to make it seem he was being responsible in his classes. Worst part, being he wasn't succeeding by his choice, his behavior went downhill in class because he knew he'd have to face the piper....so to speak.
So what do you expect a parent to do at that point, when they realize their child is irresponsible and becoming a behavior problem? He has continually shown irresponsibility. Is the parent supposed to be a Psychic and just know the assignments that are due? Do you really feel the teacher shouldn't have to have any contact with the student's parent at all to help organize the student or to even give the kid some discipline at home for their wrong behavior. All children are not the same. Some are more difficult than others and need more nudging or guidance to succeed.
Being the 1st year of high school, its critical for a student to take his studies seriously and get organized to do so. Even if the Teacher & Parent have to coordinate with intel. Anyone can just fail a student. A real teacher takes the time to make a difference, the best they can, which is including parents (especially ones that care) in the issues that are causing a problem.
I've never seen a failing student ever succeed on their own without some kind of intervention to help get them back on track and know their expectations.
@ArsonCuff (3114)
• United States
7 Dec 06
It seems a lot of the time that school officials and such think they are in some sort of superior and ruling position over parents and hold some sort of pink slip giving flunking athority...when really they hold no power and it is we the tax payers paying them to have their positions...keeping that in mind I think it would be safe to say WE ARE THEIR BOSSES...so, as the childs parent and the supreme authority I'd put my foot down in the dealings with the teacher ..I had a younger brother who seemed to go through circumstances like you speak of..he was a bit of a goof off at school and such and eventually to rectify the situation and get him a fair shake he had to relocate to a different school...meh
Good luck
@juls2me2 (2150)
• United States
9 Dec 06
It would be really sad if my son has to relocate to a new school, because of one teacher not being willing to work with me and my son to get the job done. I am taking this to the end to make her accountable for not working with me, for not informing me, for the VP not informing of all the progressive problems that could've been headed off and re-directed for my son to have a chance to succeed.
@cutepenguin (6431)
• Canada
7 Dec 06
I have a few comments on your situation -
1. if your son is a behavioral problem in class, it isn't really an excuse if it's an immature boy thing. All the children in that class are immature, and if they all act up, no one will learn anything. If the teacher has to spend all of her time babysitting teenagers, then no teaching will get done.
2. I am a tutor. I have about 30 students, and while a couple of them do have trouble keeping track of their homeowrk, most are fine. All of the students use agendas to write down their assignments, and their parents check their agendas. Is your son in the habit of using an agenda? This might help him with all of classes. It takes a while to actually become a habit, but it can be really helpful.
3. If you have time, it might help if you sit down with him while he is doing his homework. If there is a desk he can work at in the same room as you can do some quiet work, your presence can help him stay on task and make it easier for him to ask questions.
4. If your son is doing stupid things that cause referrals, you can question why he is receiving the referrals, maybe by going to a counsellor, the principal, or the vice principal. But make sure to be willing to listen to both sides of the story. If your son is doing things that you tell him are not a big deal, but the teacher thinks are serious, then he will continue doing them - like if he is talking in class, he gets in trouble, and then you just get mad at the teacher for giving him a referral, he will learn that it is okay to talk in class.
@juls2me2 (2150)
• United States
9 Dec 06
I agree behavior problems are still problems, no doubt about that. My problem is....that this Teacher feels she doesn't need to INFORM the parents about the problems when they take place, or assist me the parent in having the homework information so I can sit down with my son and make sure he completes his work. I'm not getting any cooperation from her to help my son succeed. Just referrals to get him out of her class.
@GardenGerty (160998)
• United States
7 Dec 06
Is your student identified as special needs? That would be one avenue. If he is not identified, it probably won't happen now that he is in high school. You document your discussions as they happen, and get signed papers if possible. Now that your son is in the position he is in the only thing would be to go over the teacher's head to the principal, superintendent, school board, in that order. I would be surprised if you got anywhere. You might get a little publicity. If you had nothing in writing about working with you from the teacher, then she will just be able to say that you misunderstood her, and that she is working with you. I will say, though, that if your son not able to do the work, tutoring might help, but he actually is responsible for earning his own grades, and by high school should be able to get his own homework and do it. If you sit down and do it with him, he has no reason to be proud of himself, as he will not have ownership of the work. I hope you can get this resolved.
@juls2me2 (2150)
• United States
9 Dec 06
I'm not sure where this will lead. I have email documentation of asking for assistance with getting information, finding tutoring or at least help for him to understand her teaching, getting homework assignments so I can verify he's completing the right pages and not pretending to be done, and explaining we need to work together and keep on top of any behavior problems. She agreed to work with me and then a week later is when the 1st referral was given and she didn't inform me. The weekly reports weren't being filled in to know his grade status either. I honestly felt our communication was open, my son would have a fresh start, she'd help me verify homework and keep me informed of problems. I trusted she'd email me and help me coordinate efforts. Well, I was dooped. My son has failed her class and no intervention was allowed to be attempted because this teacher secretly kept the problem to herself. When I was there the whole time to assist and depending on her to just INFORM ME.
@IshidaMitsunari (1026)
• China
7 Dec 06
Well to be perfectly honest your boy is in High School and should already know better. That isn't elementary school anymore, so teachers have a number of different classes to be responsible for. A teacher can't babysit a student. You are responsible for getting your son in tutoring, not his teacher. Homework and the like are also you and your son's responsibility. A teacher cannot make your son show you, and if there is no website or anything the teacher may not have time to personally send you every assignment that they assign. That is a lot to ask a high school teacher. Students are supposed to be more responsible than that in High School. So frankly, I think you need to speak with your son and lay off his teacher. It isn't his/her fault that your son is doing so poorly in school and that his behavior is bad or disruptive. If you want to disput the referrals than you should probably speak to the principle about it. But take my word for it, I am a college instructor and I have had to deal with students who are disruptive and don't do their work having parents complain that I have kicked them out of class and now they are failing, you will only be condoning bad behavior if you take your son's side on this. Perhaps this will be a good wake up lesson for him. And if he needs tutoring then get him the help!
@juls2me2 (2150)
• United States
9 Dec 06
That's what you're not grasping, I realize my son isn't making it in this class and he needs to be responsible. He failed English last year as well because of a similar situation actually happening to him, he didn't get the work and didn't do it, couldn't get help, and the teacher found excuses to give him the # of referrals to just get him out of her class because he finally didn't care. This is wrong! This year I will stand up to the teacher and school system to hold them accountable to follow their own rules in helping a child have a way to succeed. Yes, behavior problems need to be dealt with and are expected to be, but INFORM me (the Parent) of the behavior problem so I can work with a Teacher willing to Work with a Parent to come up with a Plan to prevent further behavior problems. INFORM me of the homework expectations and give me weekly updates for my child and then I can do my part. He's maintaining in the other classes so far. My son also needs to be able to come to a Teacher for help and get some, don't you think. Well, she's not willing to help him or his parent requesting help.
@dexterous21 (1180)
• Philippines
7 Dec 06
I understand your emotion as a parent. I am a teacher but I don't think the teacher of your son is called "EFECTIVE" teacher. Teachers have lots of responsibilities to do. To educate the child and most specially to give follow-up discipline to the child. I was als a student before and I really don't like those teacher who neglects their duties. Teaching the subeject solely is not enough. A teacher should do multitasking. Our mom is our first teacher but teachers in school should keep in mind that parents like their children to be disciplines socially, educationaly and ect.
I myself as a teacher thinks of ways on how will I be an effective teacher to my students. I know that I am strict in terms of homeworks specially in terms of grades. If I had a failing student, I talk to my student first then ask in what area he or she feels difficult to understand. Or maybe the student has a problem that affects his status in class. I will give a chance to improve but he will stay the same like before, that is the time for me to consult the parents which I think we can help each other to make the child improve.
@shyam4uall (1002)
• India
7 Dec 06
u can;t blame only on the teachers but infact somehow u have to manage ur children... its ur responsibility to take care of their studies...
@juls2me2 (2150)
• United States
9 Dec 06
I agree with you. So how do you suggest doing that when I can't get cooperation from the Teacher to know what the homework is, to findout how my son can get extra tutoring for things I can't help him with...aren't they supposed to be Teaching my son? Heck, if I'm supposed to do their teaching why don't they pay me their little paycheck then?
@coolcager (496)
• Costa Rica
20 Dec 06
tell it to the head of the school or to the principal. or report it to the department of education. or go to the school and ask her and get mad at her at front of her student.
@nhtpscd (1416)
• Australia
19 Dec 06
Well you made the first step you contacted the teacher. I find that a teachers who doesn't cooperate outside the classroom need the matter taken above their heads. Go to head of department guidence councellor or principal if you have to. Our school sends home task sheets that have to be signed by a parent. If an assignment not done we get a letter. Outside tuition might be an option as well.
@browneyes (395)
• United States
7 Dec 06
I understand were you are comming from. I went threw this with my youngest son.Most teachers arnt even worth what they are paid. They say they are underpaid, but yet it seems like they go to work but yet dont want to work for the pay check. I was up at my sons school every week. We moved from one town were he was a straight A student. then all of a sudden he was getting F's. For some reason the teachers peged him as a trouble maker. and would not help him in any way. My son has never been into any trouble, the only problem he has is that he battled a cancerous brain tumor and his memory short and long term was affected, His old teachers understood this. this new school didnt care, but yet they recieved extra funding for him. One day I sent a tape recorder to school with him. I was shocked at what some of the teachers said and did to him. I tried talking to the princepal. I tried talking the the school board ect.. I ened up calling childrens hospital and they inturn sent a lawyer and his doctor to the school. they threatened to yank some type of school funding from the state ect. but by that time the damage was done to my son. I ended up yanking him from the school and driving him to another town . were by the way his grades came back up to A's.There are just school systems out there . That the state I believe needs to just shut the doors down on untill they weed out the bad teachers. and there seems to many of them out there. Don't get me wrong there are good ones out there also, but we so need more of them. If I were you I would start a journal. every time you talk to a teacher document it. every time you call write it down. keep records of everything. and i mean everything. There are sevral law suites against are school district, due the teachers here. If you dont push these matters. How are they going to know who is a good teacher and who isnt? good luck to you and your son. I really feel for you, because my son and I .
@juls2me2 (2150)
• United States
9 Dec 06
Thank you for sharing your situation. It's like you have a plague if you say anything against something that is WRONG. Yes, student's need to be responsible for their work and behavior. If you have an immature child that isn't balancing it all out in his 1st year of High School and failing-- parents, teachers, counselors, principals should be all willing to pull together and make a plan that will work. Just saying oooh well, have to go to summer school doesn't help a child learn to succeed in the regular classes.
@rmuxagirl (7548)
• United States
6 Dec 06
Talk to your son. Ask him what assignments is he missing and WHY he's missing them. If he's doing the other work then there may be something behind why the others are missing. If need be ask for a conference with his teacher to discuss his work, and why she doesn't let you know about the referrals so you can handle them at home as well.
Did you even find out what the past three referrals were? Like what kind of stupid things..you may have to go higher and talk to the principal. (if it helps my ideas are coming from the fact that one day I'll be an English teacher).
@juls2me2 (2150)
• United States
9 Dec 06
We had been in contact with the teacher and I felt she would email me if there were any discipline issues that take place and she was supposed to be keeping information on her website for homework to help me, but she didn't help us. Today my husband and I talked with the Principal and got no where. He even told us that teachers do not have to inform parents of discipline problems or grade problems other than by the quaterly progress report. Even if things escalated to a referral the VP doesn't have to inform the parent other than sending the referrals to us by mail. That's what happened... we received the referrals 3-weeks after the incidences when there was no way any kind of plan of intervention to save his grade or give him a chance at that point. So we've brought it up to the Asst. Superintendent and they'll be looking into it too. We were also advised to put a letter in my son's school file Requiring that a Parent be present for Every discipline matter, just so we can be informed.
@TrainsR4Me (231)
• United States
7 Dec 06
If this teacher is unwilling to cooperate, maybe you need to go to the superintendant of the school district with your concern. Maybe this person shouldn't be teaching or they need to go back to school themselves to learn something about their career choice. I would definately try the tutoring, but go through the schools guidance office. Obviousely the teacher won't be much help ever.
@juls2me2 (2150)
• United States
9 Dec 06
You're right! Today my husband and I talked with the Principal and got no where. He even told us that teachers do not have to inform parents of discipline problems or grade problems other than by the quaterly progress report. Even if things escalated to a referral the VP doesn't have to inform the parent other than sending the referrals to us by mail. That's what happened... we received the referrals 3-weeks after the incidences when there was no way any kind of plan of intervention to save his grade or give him a chance at that point. So we've brought it up to the Asst. Superintendent and they'll be looking into it too. We were also advised to put a letter in my son's school file Requiring that a Parent be present for Every discipline matter, just so we can be informed.
@soldenski (2503)
• United States
7 Dec 06
I would have started by getting the "plan" in writing. I would have had everything we agreed on written down. I do this with everything. It helps when you need to report some failure's in the system. I would speak to the principal and include the teacher. I know she has other student's but if she agreed to help you, then she should have stuck her end of the bargain. Good luck to you and your son
@juls2me2 (2150)
• United States
9 Dec 06
Thank goodness I have emails with her and I stating the concerns and being in agreement about her working with my son and I. Better yet, the referrals were put off for 3-weeks before dealt with or signed off or even contacting us. So there is definitely a breakdown in the system. Worst part is the Principal clearly expressed to us when we brought it to his attention, that teachers don't have to inform parents, that's what the quarterly progress report is for. How crazy! We had a way of communication open and were starting a fresh 6-week slate to bring up his grade, to only find out she gave him 3 referrals for ridiculous things...1 every week, not contact to me to even give me a clue there was a problem.
@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
7 Jan 07
Sometimes as parents we fail to see the whole thing in place. We are more concerned about our kids but we fail to understand what is going on in the classroom.
Even if you consider your son's behaviour as immature, do you think he is disrupting the whole class by his behaviour?
Hope you have better communication with your son's teacher as its the best way is to have co-operation from her side for the benefit of your own son.